Turning Tragedy into Triumph with Mason Hamilton

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Oh, hey. Oh, hey.

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Speaker 3
All right. Welcome to Blue Collar Start Up, the podcast where hard work meets big ideas. This is your home for real talk, real stories and real strategies from the frontlines of life in the business of the trades. I’m your host, Mike Nelson from Five Towers Media.

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Speaker 4
I’m your other host, Derek Foster Daigle, cleaning systems. How we doing, Mike?

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Speaker 3
Derek I’m doing good. I’m doing good. I was going to make a joke about our third recording today.

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Speaker 2
So I’m.

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Speaker 3
Just as good as I was an hour ago. Derek.

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Speaker 2
Hey, man, we got goals to hit. I love it, I love it. Yeah we.

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Speaker 3
Do man. I’m excited for 2026 and what’s coming up. Although actually if someone’s listening this episode, we probably they’re probably listening to it in 2026. So welcome to the new Year, everyone. Excited about our, our, our subject, our guest today, our victim. Our victim today, we’re putting through, hour of of us talking. But before we introduce, Mason, let me just, give a quick shout out to our sponsors.

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Speaker 3
Of course, these folks are the amazing people that, give us money so that we can, in turn, use that money. We donate it to local Boces and HVC, affectionately called the blue Collar College, to help kids in their programs, tools and tuition for the kids in the trades. So, you know, big shout out and thank you to people.

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Speaker 3
Nick and the team over there. Martin. Electric MLB construction. Pinocchio construction, Michaels group, Catamount consulting, of course. Scott and Stacy, you know, the amount of, time and energy they put into helping us with this show is amazing and very grateful for their help and involvement. And, you know, at the time of this recording, we’re excited because we’ve got, a bunch of scheduled episodes coming up with Scott and Stacy.

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Speaker 3
Stacy is going to be doing some, interviews with us, focusing on women in the trades. And then we’re doing some roundtable discussions based around leadership and mindset and growth and coaching, and really excited for those. So thanks so much, guys. Really appreciate you. Of course. Thank you, Dale. Cleaning Systems for all the, work that they do to give Derrick the space to come on the show and do what he does.

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Speaker 3
And of course, our team over at Five Towers Media for all the support they give us as well. And for producing the show, one last thing before we, introduce Mason. If you haven’t heard, we’ve got this crazy thing called, Patreon, which is a standalone, portal allows us to create a bunch of extra content.

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Speaker 3
It has been behind a, paywall, so you got to pay a whopping five bucks a month to get in there, guys. But that money goes to help us, produce the show and produce the content. And all the content that we’re putting there is really focused around helping businesses and the trades grow, scale, do better, be better.

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Speaker 3
I promise you, what we’re putting in there is worth the five bucks. So please check it out. Join the join the community over there. And, looking forward to seeing. So, all right, let’s get to Mason.

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Speaker 2
Without further ado.

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Speaker 3
Without further ado, I know I said that in the last few shows. Without further ado, Mason, welcome to the show, man.

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Speaker 1
Yeah, thanks for having me. Great to meet you guys.

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Speaker 2
Absolutely.

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Speaker 3
Mason, you know, so that I don’t mess it up, which I usually do, if you wouldn’t mind, is introducing yourself and Donnelly Construction. Tell us a little about who you are, what you do.

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Speaker 1
Sure. So we’re Donnelly Construction. We’re a, traffic control service provider. Subcontractor for a lot of the, construction, highway construction, even down to residential construction. We do a lot with the utility sector. You know, we’ve been in business since 1994. Right here in Mechanicville, is our one and only headquarters.

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Speaker 1
Kind of centrally located for everything. So, yeah, we’ve been in business since 94, though, when we’ve done a lot of things. But, over the past few years, we’ve kind of focused down, neck down to, being a traffic control provider.

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Speaker 3
And, for people like me that don’t fully understand what traffic control means, give us a rundown on what that is.

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Speaker 1
Mason. Yeah. So, you know, any paving project, sign installation project, anything. If you’re doing anything on a D.O.T. road. County road, town roads, not so much, but, anything where a permit is required, they’re going to require to have traffic control, whether it’s, you know, if it’s a two lane road, we take one lane, with flaggers and put traffic around the, the work zone, or, I mean, we do some stuff on a on a New York State Thruway where if they’re going to fly a wire across or do a big transmission line project, we’ll shut the entire interstate down.

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Speaker 1
Basically whatever’s required for the job to keep the workers and the work zone safe is what we do.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
And I know you guys cover most of New York State, right?

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Speaker 1
Yeah, we we try to we try not to get out too far past. Excuse me. Syracuse. So we serve everything from, you know, the the eastern border to Syracuse and then all the way to Canada and down to Tappan Zee Bridge, areas about where we kind of cut it off.

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Speaker 1
So you’re pretty union strong below that. So yeah, we that’s kind of our cut option. So the, the big part of New York State is what we cover.

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Speaker 3
Yeah it’s a pretty, pretty big footprint. So chances are if you’ve driven by a construction project on, Main Road in New York State and probably driven by by your crews and your equipment.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
If you see the white trucks with the red hoods, that’s our stuff. You know, we so we have a big presence in that area. We also have a lot of rental equipment that the big bridge companies and the big paving companies, they’ll rent equipment from us. So sometimes when you see us, it’s not really us. It’s just our stuff.

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Speaker 2
Right. So how did you.

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Speaker 4
End up at Donnelly Construction or involved in the business?

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Speaker 1
So yeah. So I, I came from I actually worked at kabuki construction for, a little bit and, got laid off in the winter. Donnelly was actually back then, back in, 2000, 2001, we were doing a lot of different stuff besides traffic control. So they were looking for an excavator operator to help finish a job.

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Speaker 1
I had just been laid off from kabuki as an operator, so they just picked me up for I think it was like maybe September. October. And then I got laid off from, from Donnelly and, kind of waiting for a call back in the spring. Didn’t get one. Was kind of sitting at home waiting, waiting, waiting. Donnelly called, said, hey, would you want to come back?

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Speaker 1
Absolutely. So I came back, started as an operator. And then kind of worked my way from there all the way up through. And currently the president of the company for the last few years, maybe 3 or 4 years.

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Speaker 4
It’s amazing. How did you become an operator? What was that? Yeah. I mean, how did how did you get to that point and what did that look like education wise?

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Speaker 1
So my, my aunt and uncle actually own a, landscaping company in Cape Cod. So during the summers I’d go down and my cousins and I would moulins and then, you know, they got it, bought a bobcat. And, you know, we all beat each other up to fight for the seat in the bobcat when we could. So, I don’t know, it was probably 15 or 16 when I got a bobcat and then just lucky enough to land a couple jobs.

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Speaker 1
I worked at Riding High Ranch. I know if you know where that is in Warrensburg. Yeah, on the maintenance crew. You know, they they had some equipment there that I was lucky enough to talk my way into the seat.

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Speaker 2
So.

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Speaker 1
You know, just little bits at a time. And then, you know, I got hired with a construction company working in Connecticut and then kind of got a lot more seat time there. And just from there, I kind of keep going.

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Speaker 4
What’s the coolest type of, course piece of equipment you’ve ever operated?

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Speaker 2
So.

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Speaker 1
The biggest piece I ever operate out, we were in doing a, drug store in Connecticut. And I ran a 450 Daewoo excavator that had, like, two sets of stairs to climb up into,

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Speaker 2
Like,

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Speaker 1
I’ve never done anything like that. And I’m like, God, you’ll be all right.

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Speaker 2
So I just do it and no. And let me figure it out. Yeah, I I’m curious based.

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Speaker 3
So you so you moved up the company from operator to president?

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
And, how long did that take you?

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Speaker 1
So 2001 to probably 2022. So 21, 22 years.

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Speaker 3
And what do you think? I mean, what was the. Like, how did how did you do it? Like what? What is moving up through the organization in an organization like that look like.

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Speaker 1
So, you know, I tell people around here, like, I feel like I put my head down when, you know, when I was asked to do something, I did it, you know, and put your head down and do the work. Somebody’s going to notice and, you know, pay attention, learn where you can, when you can do the right thing.

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Speaker 1
And, you know, I it just kind of naturally happened. I don’t I didn’t do anything specific. I just did my job.

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Speaker 3
You always have your eye on the on the big chair.

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Speaker 2
Not at all on the red phone or.

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Speaker 3
Whatever, you know?

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Speaker 1
No, no, you know, like I said, I just I kind of put my head down. I did the work, and, you know, opportunities came up. You know, I, I that’s really all I the only way I can explain it, you know, there’s been times where I didn’t want to do what I was doing at the time, and I think everybody goes through that.

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Speaker 1
But you just keep just keep hammering.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
Just keep hammering. What does that, Oh, my God. What? What is that guy’s name? The bull hunter. The runner that says that all the time.

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Speaker 2
I don’t know.

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Speaker 3
Oh, I can’t believe I can’t think of this guy. Big ball hunter. Anyway,

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Speaker 2
So, did you go to college? So.

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Speaker 1
Yes, technically, yes, I did, I did, one semester at Massachusetts Maritime Academy. Like I said, I would spend summers on Cape Cod. So I was down there after my senior year of high school, had no plans going to college. Was just going to enter the workforce. Kind of what I always wanted to do.

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Speaker 1
I always thought, you know, I was just going to work construction. I, as a little kid, you know, big orange equipment or yellow equipment, you know, I’d jump in there. So, you know, even at 17, 18 years old, I was like, I’m just going to go work.

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Speaker 2
In,

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Speaker 1
Got to be that time of year.

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Speaker 2
Where.

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Speaker 1
I don’t know, I still smell it in the air, but, when it’s like football season.

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Speaker 1
So it was like whatever end of end of August, my cousin, who’s the same age as I, he was he was getting ready to go off to play college football as a freshman. He was training. So I was just kind of training with him and like and I really I want to play football. So I signed up for classes last minute at the Mass Maritime Academy, which is right there next to where my an uncle.

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Speaker 1
I and, so I technically did go to college, I was there, I didn’t I did not do well.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. No that’s okay. And well, I ask the question because, you know, we we’re we’re of course we’re not against college, but we are very pro identifying the fact that college is not always necessary to us. And probably especially in the trades, there’s so much opportunity for people without college degrees to be able to go into them and be successful.

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Speaker 3
And like in your case, you’re you’re running an organization. Yeah. You know, like, and it wasn’t necessary for you to go to college to be able to do what you’re doing now. So it’s.

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Speaker 1
No nothing. It probably would have helped if I paid attention and learn something else. And while I was at college. But, I was really there. I saw the football field.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
That was really it. So that didn’t last very long, but, yes. I, I couldn’t agree more. You know what I do now or what I’ve done on my way here really wasn’t college, wasn’t a box that needed to be checked.

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Speaker 1
You know, I, I’m very fortunate that it happened that way and wasn’t by my plan or anybody else’s plan just, you know, like I said, you put your head down, you do the work and opportunities will present themselves.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 3
What is what is day to day look like for you now as president of the organization?

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Speaker 1
Roll the dice.

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Speaker 1
Everything from, you know, I do all the estimating as well. So, you know, I get probably 20 emails a day asking to to bid on a job, you know, from here to Syracuse and everywhere in between. So I do all that, I’m involved with the payroll, billing customers, chasing money, you know, all the fun stuff.

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Speaker 2
Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3
You know, all the fun, all the fun president stuff, right?

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. I mean.

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Speaker 1
You name it, I, I, I couldn’t even tell you. I try to even think about it at the end of each day, like, what did I do today? Because sometimes I feel like I didn’t do anything.

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Speaker 1
But there’s probably there’s my mind’s going all the time. My cell phone’s ringing. The house line’s ringing. Emails are coming in. I got, you know people coming in and out of the office asking questions and you know it’s it’s hectic. But sometimes even at the end of the day I’m like what did I even do?

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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3
I feel that way a lot too. I’m sure Derek does too.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 4
We I’m sure especially your background similar to mine, you get used to to doing things during the day and actually seeing the result at the end of it. And then flip it and you’re in an office and you’re right, a moving paper and answering emails, and it doesn’t feel like you’ve accomplished anything.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
So the the move into the office, kind of have it. Was it strange timing? So I was in the field kind of as a field supervisor or superintendent. And I during, I don’t know, the mid 2000, probably 2004 or 5 to 2010. I was also racing snowmobiles, unapproachable circuit, mostly in Canada, but some in the Midwest.

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Speaker 1
And in February 2010, right after I had just been made vice president of the company, I was in a bad accident. Snowmobile accident broke my back. So, I’m confined to a wheelchair now. Paralyzed from the waist down. So it was, timing. It was like, I think November of 2009, I was named the vice president and probably going to spend most of my time in the office.

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Speaker 1
And then February 2010, I broke my back and really can’t go out on the field anymore anyway, so the way that worked out was eerie, but it’s worked out fantastically. So the folks here have been amazing, even like the day, the day after I got hurt. They’re down at Albany Med. My boss handed me a laptop.

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Speaker 1
He’s like.

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Speaker 3
Get to work.

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Speaker 1
And you’re down, but you’re not out.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
You got to keep going. These bids are. Do you know? We got to keep working. So I think that was that helped helped my mental recovery exponentially.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. Being able to be still be able to get after it and effective useful.

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Speaker 2
Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1
Yeah. So it’s been it’s been great a great company. You know the everybody here is like family. But we’re a small office. There’s six people here. We get 70 or so in the field. But it’s like family for all. We’re all family.

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Speaker 2
All tightly knit. Yeah, yeah. And having. Oh go ahead.

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Speaker 4
Mike, I was just curious. And I was thinking about this because you’re you’re such a, you know, a role model for any young entry level employee who, who’s looking to grow. But I had no idea about, you know, obviously, the adversity that, you faced as well, you have a lot of young guys at the company that, you know, look, look up and try to pick your brain, you know, here and there as to how the heck you did it.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
There’s a few that are interested, a lot of them, you know, a lot of people just some of the people we’ve gotten, we’ve experienced some, some pretty significant growth in the last few years. Some of the people don’t know who I am, which is kind of neat. You know, I can I can kind of sneak around here and.

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Speaker 2
You know.

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Speaker 1
Nobody knows that I’m the boss, but, yeah, there are some that, you know, will sit down and ask questions and, you know, what do I need to do? Or stuff like that? And, you know, it it comes in all, you know, they all, they are they come in all shapes, sizes, you know, some of them, some of them are interested in some are not.

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Speaker 3
Just curious. Amazing. How many how many people do you do you guys have over there at these at this point.

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Speaker 1
So we’re in the field. We’re 70 probably, all in between the shop and the office. We’re right around 85.

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Speaker 3
It’s a lot of people.

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Speaker 1
A lot of people. Yeah.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And how many.

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Speaker 3
Direct reports do you have on a day to day basis?

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Speaker 1
I mean, direct and direct reports that I.

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Speaker 2
Want probably like 6 or 7.

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Speaker 1
Direct reports that I get probably 17. Wow. You know, I it’s we’re we’re very like I said, we’re family here. The door is always open. If anybody’s got a question and they feel like they need to ask me instead of their supervisor, I’m cool with that. So, you know, I feel like everybody’s a direct report, but mainly there’s probably 6 or 7 that in the in the tree that come to me immediate.

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Speaker 3
Yeah. And then Orchard. Yeah. We’re just talking about org charts this morning actually. And so I’m asking that question. I’m just wondering, like how you, how how do you manage the people that you’re managing? You know, it’s I know everyone’s got kind of a different system, a different style. And I’m just always curious about, you know, what it looks like for you on a day to day basis to manage the people that you have to manage.

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Speaker 3
Whether it’s micromanaging or systems managing or KPIs or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1
So again, remember, I didn’t go to college.

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Speaker 2
It’s fair. So I don’t,

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Speaker 1
I’ve had some people really not very happy with my management style at times. And I don’t know what you call it.

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Speaker 2
Kind of,

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Speaker 1
Because I just don’t know, you know, it’s we we have problems. We figure them out. You know, it’s usually there’s the, the the the management, upper management level. There’s four of us that, you know, we sit down every Tuesday morning. What’s going on? You know, what do we need to get taken care of? What’s what’s what are the other issues?

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Speaker 1
We haven’t, talked about yet? And, you know, it’s it’s kind of a management by group, I guess. I don’t know what that’s called, but.

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Speaker 2
Yeah.

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Speaker 1
It seems to work for us. You know, got some really smart people here that know what they’re doing. And, you know, with I don’t think you can go wrong there, but put smart people around you.

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Speaker 2
That’s the key, right? Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3
Sorry. I’m just looking at my outline here. You guys want to make sure I keep us on time? What? What do you think some of the biggest challenges are that you see as president or organization like that, moving it or. No. Let me ask a different question.

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Speaker 3
When you’re looking at your days as an operator versus your days as president, like obviously at face value, that’s a very different role in the company. But like what what’s the the real difference that people are going to see as far as that goes? Like how do you like making that transition from one even though it’s over time?

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Speaker 3
I mean, like different skills, different, you know, different day to day activities, like how do you handle that transition? What does that what does that look like?

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Speaker 1
Well, you got to be a problem solver and you got to keep an open mind like, you know, you as an operator, you know, there’s always something there’s an obstacle in your way, and you got to get around it. Sometimes it’s easy, sometimes it’s not. You know, as a manager of people and then as a, you know, president of the company, it’s really not that much different.

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Speaker 1
You know, there’s obstacles. How are we going to overcome it? You know, just kind of look at how how is it going to how could it go wrong? And, you know, kind of steer steer around it the best you can, tiptoe through it and, you know, hopefully you come out on the other side, complete with no accidents.

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Speaker 1
And, you know, positive on the money side till,

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Speaker 3
Yeah, it always helps, right?

00;23;39;17 – 00;23;40;29
Speaker 2
Yep.

00;23;41;01 – 00;24;05;04
Speaker 3
And and what about, you know, you broke your back. Obviously your life after that was very different, right? And just just getting over that injury itself or or not getting over but getting past it right and being able to live your life is I couldn’t even imagine what that is like. And then also your your taking on new responsibilities.

00;24;05;04 – 00;24;26;11
Speaker 3
And again, just, a lot of adversity that a lot of people face, in different forms. How do you, how do you get through that kind of adversity? Like how do you get past it and keep moving forward and doing your job? And, you know, I mean, it sounds kind of like your, put your head down and, and muscle through things kind of guy, but.

00;24;26;13 – 00;24;38;14
Speaker 1
Yeah, pretty much I mean, you know, right at first it were, it was I was devastated, obviously. You know, it’s like, you know, I’m not going to walk again. Then, like I said.

00;24;39;14 – 00;24;57;26
Speaker 1
My boss Paul brought a laptop down. He said, you got to keep working. And I think that was that was probably the best thing that could have happened to me, because I feel like I feel like there’s at that point, there’s there’s two roads. You can go down, you go down. You know, this is terrible. What am I going to do?

00;24;57;27 – 00;25;33;23
Speaker 1
You can stay on that road forever or I got to get past this and you know, I got on the got to get past this, side of the road and, you know, with family and friends and coworkers and really everybody around me, the therapists at the hospital, you know, it’s their their angels, the therapists. I went I was at Sunny View for quite a while, and the the people I worked with, there were, you know, they’re your biggest cheerleaders in that in that time.

00;25;33;23 – 00;26;01;12
Speaker 1
And they, they push you. You can do this, you can do this. And, you know, at the time you’re like, I can’t even sit up in bed. I can’t, I don’t I can’t put my shoes on. And they just, they teach you and but I mean, just keep in keeping a positive mindset. And there’s a lot of times, like, I forget that I’m in a wheelchair a lot of times, like, my day to day is so, I don’t want to say it’s easy, but, you know, I, I get out of bed just like everybody else.

00;26;01;12 – 00;26;12;20
Speaker 1
I get in the truck, I drive to work, I’ll come in here and I work all day, and I go home. And sometimes I forget the, many different than I was before the accident.

00;26;12;22 – 00;26;18;26
Speaker 2
Yeah. That’s wild. Man. That’s incredible.

00;26;19;02 – 00;26;23;26
Speaker 1
Yeah, yeah. And it wasn’t even a spectacular crash either. It was. It was like.

00;26;25;24 – 00;26;27;13
Speaker 1
D-minus. Crash. I tell everybody.

00;26;27;13 – 00;26;28;14
Speaker 2
Else this crash.

00;26;28;14 – 00;26;41;04
Speaker 1
D minus I I’ve had some A’s, too. And we raised up we raised in Canada and stuff for a lot of years and put a lot of track time in. And I had some awesome crashes. Yeah, that one just wasn’t one of.

00;26;41;04 – 00;26;42;29
Speaker 3
Those B minus crash.

00;26;43;01 – 00;26;44;09
Speaker 1
D minus.

00;26;44;11 – 00;26;46;02
Speaker 2
Down.

00;26;46;04 – 00;27;00;14
Speaker 3
Wild wild. I yeah. You find that getting through that adversity or getting past it had like helped you in some capacity as far as being able to deal with other things that are happening.

00;27;00;17 – 00;27;25;05
Speaker 1
Yeah, I would think so. You know like I certainly don’t think it hurt in any way, but, you know, trying to figure out troubleshoot. Like I said, you got to you got to be able to problem solve. Half of my day is problem solving. How am I going to how am I going to get in the broom tractor out here and sweep the dirt off the off the driveway?

00;27;25;05 – 00;27;28;29
Speaker 1
How am I going to I don’t know, you name.

00;27;28;29 – 00;27;32;04
Speaker 2
It. I’m, weld.

00;27;32;06 – 00;27;35;25
Speaker 1
You know, this truck back together? Figure it out.

00;27;35;28 – 00;27;37;10
Speaker 2
So figure it out.

00;27;37;10 – 00;28;00;10
Speaker 3
Yeah, yeah. And I didn’t want to dwell on it, but I, you know, a lot of what we’re going to be talking about this year with Scott and Stacy is, is around mindset and about, you know, overcoming obstacles and, and facing adversity and what you do when you’re hit with adversity. And I you know, obviously your perspective is one that a lot of people can learn from.

00;28;00;13 – 00;28;02;11
Speaker 3
Right. And being able to push through stuff.

00;28;02;11 – 00;28;04;23
Speaker 2
So yeah, I hope so.

00;28;04;28 – 00;28;38;06
Speaker 1
You know, I definitely I don’t I don’t I don’t carry myself like that. You know I’m not trying to teach anybody a lesson or, you know, show them my way of doing anything. But, you know, I do I, I’m, I problem solve. I have I have options, I can give you some options and, you know, hopefully some of them are good enough that somebody listens or pays attention to and can make, forward progress with it.

00;28;38;08 – 00;28;44;01
Speaker 1
You know, Scott is, just thinking about it, you know, as we we saw each other the other day.

00;28;44;23 – 00;29;02;19
Speaker 1
I think I’ve known Scott for almost 30 years now. So he was. So I wrestled at Lawrenceburg, and Scott, Scott would come in, I think my junior, senior year of high school, and he would come in and work out with us. He was back from college.

00;29;03;16 – 00;29;34;19
Speaker 1
What a great guy you know? And the more, the more I get to see him at things like the AGC, and I get to see him present, his his whole theory on on safety. I, I really appreciate that his his view. That it’s, you know, saved it. If you if anybody hasn’t listened to or seen or talked to Scott, he’s he’s a super, super guy with, you know, a lot of good ideas.

00;29;34;21 – 00;29;35;18
Speaker 2
Absolutely.

00;29;35;21 – 00;29;38;02
Speaker 3
Yeah. Very passionate about what those guys are doing.

00;29;38;05 – 00;29;40;16
Speaker 2
Sure. Yeah. It, it.

00;29;40;18 – 00;29;47;04
Speaker 3
Like I said I mean I talked to him six days a week. I get calls from 7:00 in the morning and he’s got ideas. You know I love it. I think it’s great.

00;29;47;04 – 00;29;49;11
Speaker 2
So yeah definitely.

00;29;49;14 – 00;30;09;23
Speaker 3
I know we got to jump over to the Patreon side of things, but, you know, just one more question for you before we do that, Mason. What when you’re looking at 2026 for Donnelly Construction, are you you guys have big goals on the horizon. Plans? Like what? What is the next year or two years? Look, for you guys.

00;30;09;26 – 00;30;45;09
Speaker 1
I mean, we’re always looking for the next opportunity like everybody else. You know, there’s the, The utility sector in New York state or the utility industry, I feel like is growing. You know, the the national grids of the world and the nice things of the world. They’re putting a lot of money into upgrading the infrastructure, underground above our overhead, transmission lines, you name it, it’s there’s a lot of money going that way.

00;30;45;09 – 00;31;15;26
Speaker 1
So we’re kind of we’re, we’re trending that way a little bit. But you know, the, the, the industry is always going to be busy and dotty, who we have a really good relationship with New York State D.O.T., they’ve in the last maybe ten years, they’ve done a, kind of a, a shift toward making sure that everybody’s on the same, playing field as far as safety, traffic safety.

00;31;15;29 – 00;31;27;26
Speaker 1
You know, I used to always see, like, the the Verizon trucks out on the side of the state road with one cone next to it and like on a in the bucket by himself, nobody around. It’s like, okay, you that guy is going to get smoked.

00;31;27;28 – 00;31;28;09
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;31;28;09 – 00;31;43;19
Speaker 1
But you know Dot’s done a good job of putting everybody on the same playing field. You know, a you’re you’re going to be on a road, you’re going to do you’re going to do it our way. And so that’s helped us. I mean, helps everybody. It’s safety for everybody.

00;31;43;19 – 00;31;45;07
Speaker 2
But,

00;31;45;10 – 00;32;22;00
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, we’re we’re looking forward to another good year. I mean, we we had good success this year. You know, we we had a good we good luck. Getting people in, in the door, you know, new people from all, all industries. It’s kind of surprising, where people apply from where they come from. And with no traffic control or construction background and how well they do, in this role, you know, I don’t think a lot of kids grow up dreaming of being a flagger one day.

00;32;22;02 – 00;32;34;25
Speaker 1
But tell you what, you can you can come in here and you can do quite well. You know, a lot of a lot of the workers prevailing wage, which, you know, if you put in the time, you can make some some real good money.

00;32;34;27 – 00;32;35;28
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;32;36;00 – 00;33;02;15
Speaker 1
You know, I think the, the word is out, with, with folks. And like we were saying before, you went live here, we did some ad campaigns that have worked quite well to draw some people in. We’ve got some Syracuse based, crews now, so not if we’re working in Syracuse. The folks here don’t have to drive out west every day or every week.

00;33;02;17 – 00;33;07;16
Speaker 1
I guess cuz based crews, it that works quite well.

00;33;07;18 – 00;33;10;09
Speaker 2
Amazing growing and growing and growing.

00;33;10;15 – 00;33;13;28
Speaker 4
I got some follow up questions. All that for the Patreon side of things.

00;33;13;28 – 00;33;15;24
Speaker 2
So perfect tuned.

00;33;15;26 – 00;33;17;22
Speaker 3
Nice teaser there D.

00;33;17;25 – 00;33;18;18
Speaker 2
Thank you.

00;33;18;21 – 00;33;27;28
Speaker 3
So before we jump over to the Patreon here, Mason. If people want to learn more about Donald Construction, but what you guys are up to and how do they find you guys?

00;33;28;00 – 00;33;40;10
Speaker 1
Yeah. Right on. Right on the web. Donald construction dot net. We got a pretty decent website that, you know, all the information’s there. There’s a, employment.

00;33;40;10 – 00;33;41;20
Speaker 2
Tab.

00;33;41;22 – 00;33;44;11
Speaker 1
Comes right to my desk.

00;33;44;13 – 00;33;47;22
Speaker 2
Works well, nice for.

00;33;47;25 – 00;34;09;09
Speaker 3
Well, Mason, we’re going to jump over there, so don’t go anywhere. Thank you, everybody, for, of course, for listening to this episode. And, you know, if you’re if you’re interested in Patreon, check out the link in the show notes the tailor put down there. And, you know, of course, our website, Blue Collar startup.io. And you can also listen to our episodes on Spotify, Apple Rumble, and YouTube.

00;34;09;11 – 00;34;12;14
Speaker 3
And, for our Patreon members, you’ll see us in a minute.

00;34;12;14 – 00;34;40;13
Speaker 1
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00;34;40;13 – 00;34;52;17
Speaker 1
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00;34;52;17 – 00;35;07;29
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00;38;26;23 – 00;38;42;03
Unknown
Oh, hey. Oh, hey.

00;38;42;03 – 00;38;55;25
Speaker 3
I think I already know the answer to this, Mason. But I’m going to ask it anyway because it’s on our question list here. What do you feel your keys to success are?

00;38;55;27 – 00;39;22;04
Speaker 1
Do the work, you know, show up, do what you’re asked. Do what you need to do. You know, like I said, I put my head down a long time ago and went to work and, you know, next thing you know, I’m vice president of the company and president of the company. You know, good things happen when you when you focus and stay on top of it.

00;39;22;07 – 00;39;24;00
Speaker 3
It’s not complicated right now.

00;39;24;00 – 00;39;24;24
Speaker 1
There’s no secret.

00;39;24;24 – 00;39;28;07
Speaker 2
Sauce. Yeah. It’s just really hard. I mean.

00;39;28;09 – 00;39;43;05
Speaker 1
I’m not listen, I’m not the, not the, the poster child for running a company, I’m sure. But, you know, for for here, for Donald Construction, you know, that’s that’s kind of how I worked my way up.

00;39;43;08 – 00;40;08;27
Speaker 3
Yeah, well, I’ll push back. Mason, I think you are the poster child, because, like, it’s just a testament to the fact that you all you. It’s not a complicated thing. People make success so complicated and make it sound like it’s this super, like, sophisticated. You got to do all these things to be successful. But when it comes down to it really just work hard to show up, go to work, do the things, show back up tomorrow on time.

00;40;08;27 – 00;40;11;00
Speaker 1
Smart people. Put smart people around you.

00;40;11;07 – 00;40;24;21
Speaker 3
That’s right, that’s right. What do you think? You know, when it comes to being successful in the trades, what do you think the the top things to avoid are?

00;40;24;23 – 00;40;32;02
Speaker 1
Successful in in this little piece of the trades and Donald construction.

00;40;32;04 – 00;40;33;07
Speaker 2
Absolutely.

00;40;33;09 – 00;40;56;06
Speaker 1
You know, I kind of just said it a second ago. Show up when you’re supposed to and listen, you know, again, with the smart people around you thing, you know, if you got if you got hired on a framing crew and they tell you to be there at 7:00, be there at 7:00, and when the guy tells you, you know, here’s what we’re going to do.

00;40;56;10 – 00;41;07;29
Speaker 1
Listen, pay attention. And it’s not hard. It’s not there’s there’s really nothing to it. Show up when you when you’re told, listen, do what they tell you.

00;41;08;02 – 00;41;27;10
Speaker 4
I got a follow up to that. So you’ve been with the company for a long time, Mason. So I’m sure there’s some guys and people that you used to work alongside and, and be more of a peer to peer relationship. And I’m sure as you progress that that had to change somewhat. How did how did you navigate that.

00;41;27;10 – 00;41;37;06
Speaker 4
And you know, how did that how does that work now and how do you handle that situation with people who used to work with and now they report to you?

00;41;37;08 – 00;41;37;23
Speaker 2
Yeah, I.

00;41;37;23 – 00;41;51;09
Speaker 1
Mean, well, like I said, we’re I said earlier where, you know, it’s like a family here. And I don’t I try not to treat anybody any differently. Obviously, you know, I got to tell them where to go.

00;41;51;10 – 00;41;53;00
Speaker 2
What to do.

00;41;53;03 – 00;42;25;17
Speaker 1
But, you know, I try to I try to treat everybody the same as I always did. You know, if if you and I work together in the field and then, you know, I got promoted and you’re you’re in the field, you know, I haven’t forgotten that. And that relationship and and I think that doing that, you know, makes you more relatable, makes it more approachable to the guys and girls in the field that, that way wants to work alongside each other.

00;42;25;20 – 00;42;34;02
Speaker 1
And now we don’t, you know, I, I try to make it easy.

00;42;34;04 – 00;42;41;28
Speaker 4
So when you get new hires in the door, you refer to your to your, you know, recruiting process and how you, you know, you’ve got some, some new folks in.

00;42;42;00 – 00;42;43;05
Speaker 2
What what is the.

00;42;43;05 – 00;42;53;10
Speaker 4
First thing that you, and Donnelly Construction do with your new hires? What is that? Is there a process? Is there an orientation that you bring them through? How does that all work?

00;42;53;12 – 00;43;21;18
Speaker 1
Yeah, definitely. So, to do anything in, in the trade, in our part of the trades, you had to have an OSHA ten hour, certificate. So you gotta you gotta go through that. And that’s a pre hire requirement for us. And then beyond that, we have everybody, complete the ATS, flagger training course, which is also it’s available online.

00;43;21;18 – 00;43;57;23
Speaker 1
It’s, I think it’s a four hour course, similar to the OSHA ten. You know, you watch you watch a little video, there’s a couple questions, and then there’s a, a test at the end. You got to pass, we go through, you know, we we drug test everybody. And, you know, we go through, we do a, abstract on, on the driver’s license because everybody here is a driver, you know, a lot of two man crew is a lot of two, two person crews.

00;43;57;25 – 00;44;38;21
Speaker 1
So every crew that goes out the door, you know, if I’m the driver and this guy rides with me, well, if I get hit by a car, you know, swallow a bee or something, and that guy’s got to drive on the way back. Everybody has to drive, so everybody has to have a clean license. Drug tested OSHA ten flag, fly your course, and then we put them in with, you know, one of the more senior people, and they get on the job training for a while until we see that they’ve got the chops and, you know, and then maybe that this person, we put a new guy with that guy.

00;44;38;24 – 00;44;40;24
Speaker 2
Or girl.

00;44;40;27 – 00;44;46;09
Speaker 4
How long is that process, would you say? Well, we’re overall until they’re fully acclimated to the company.

00;44;46;11 – 00;45;09;24
Speaker 1
They’re ready to go out on their on their own with a crew. It’s usually I mean it depends. And you know some people are are quicker to the to jump than others. But you know six months to a year, you know, and then some of the guys who’ve been here for 20 years in the field, we keep throwing them the new guys, they’re like, when are you going to give me somebody who can actually help me?

00;45;09;26 – 00;45;11;14
Speaker 2
But you know.

00;45;11;17 – 00;45;34;17
Speaker 1
Yeah, you know, it’s it’s it’s a little bit of a process. But, you know, we have a pretty good retention, average for keeping people, like I said, with the prevailing wage. You know, like I said, if you if you, if you put the time in, you can you can make some pretty good money. So, you know, a lot of times people come in, they stay.

00;45;34;20 – 00;45;36;23
Speaker 2
That’s what I.

00;45;36;25 – 00;46;00;03
Speaker 3
Want to jump over to the sales side a little bit of what you do. Maintenance. That’s all right. I, you know, you had said before that, you know, you’re getting requests for quotes, you’re handling phone calls and kind of handling a lot of some of the sales function. When it comes to you, don’t strike me as a guy that’s going to be like a car salesman and be pushy or any of that stuff.

00;46;00;05 – 00;46;07;00
Speaker 3
What what does it look like for you to receive a request or to find a request and then have that conversation with folks?

00;46;07;20 – 00;46;10;28
Speaker 1
Sure. So, I mean, with.

00;46;11;01 – 00;46;12;06
Speaker 2
You know.

00;46;12;08 – 00;46;43;26
Speaker 1
Without tooting our own horn here, we’re probably the biggest, traffic control specific company in the area. There’s a couple other ones, that are not really located right in Saratoga County. But, you know, we’re probably the biggest and best equipped, so kind of our, our trucks being on almost every work zone in the area is our biggest, advertisement.

00;46;43;29 – 00;47;15;11
Speaker 1
And so, you know, if we we do a lot with the, with the spill companies, the environmental companies, especially this time of year where the roads are junky and trucks are sliding off the road. So those guys all know that if you need, you need a lane closure locally here in the in our work radius the to call us so I get calls and usually it’s just hey this happened when can you get here.

00;47;15;13 – 00;47;21;22
Speaker 1
So I don’t have to do a lot of, sales I guess per se.

00;47;22;15 – 00;47;35;00
Speaker 1
You know, the, the big jobs, like the, the dot work, you have to, you have to bid on just like every other job. So you’re, you’re battling against the other big companies, you know, so.

00;47;35;03 – 00;47;40;04
Speaker 3
And does that sound like you guys have a formula for how you price.

00;47;40;07 – 00;47;44;15
Speaker 1
Yeah. I mean it’s, you know, basic material labor and equipment.

00;47;44;17 – 00;47;44;28
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;47;44;28 – 00;47;58;20
Speaker 1
So there’s there’s no, you know, if you’re on the Thruway, you got to carry the cost of the permits. And you know, it’s, it’s really the, the, the estimating part of it, those kind of jobs like the, like a spill response. Those are.

00;47;58;22 – 00;48;01;12
Speaker 2
Straightforward.

00;48;01;14 – 00;48;17;24
Speaker 1
You know, when you get into like, the dot stuff and you’re bidding on specific items that are, you know, this and not that, or, you know, there’s one difference. And, you know, you got to try to figure it all that out. That’s obviously that’s a little trickier.

00;48;17;24 – 00;48;20;18
Speaker 2
But yeah, yeah.

00;48;20;21 – 00;48;41;15
Speaker 3
And it I’m just curious of like how do you how do those bids get awarded when you’re, when you’re bidding on. Are they like they’re not necessarily going to the lowest bidder. And you may not even know like what the lowest bid is. Right. So you’re just how do you like how do you put it together. So it’s more an enticing means, is it even a possibility or is it just, you.

00;48;41;15 – 00;48;43;09
Speaker 2
Know.

00;48;43;11 – 00;48;43;24
Speaker 1
It’s low.

00;48;43;24 – 00;48;46;12
Speaker 2
Bidder. It’s a little better. Yeah. Yeah.

00;48;46;15 – 00;49;25;01
Speaker 1
So like, one that we have that we’re currently, working on is the region one, the Albany area, bridge inspection. So every, every two years, every bridge in region one, and they do it for every region in the state. But, those bridges need to be inspected. So you guys have seen them there, you know, there’ll be a lane closure out, and then there’s a snooper truck with the arm that goes under the bridge, and they put an engineer down there, and they they look at everything, they go in and they, they tap every nut and bolt, and they look at everything, taste everything, smell everything.

00;49;25;03 – 00;49;45;10
Speaker 1
So that’s a job right now that we have. And, you know, they tell you you’re going to have, 116 days of flaggers or you’re going to have 213 days of single lane closures on an interstate. You just go through and figure it all out, put it all together and.

00;49;45;13 – 00;49;47;12
Speaker 2
Here you go.

00;49;47;15 – 00;49;48;26
Speaker 3
And then cross your fingers. Right.

00;49;49;00 – 00;49;51;22
Speaker 2
Cross your fingers that way. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

00;49;51;29 – 00;50;01;01
Speaker 1
It’s stressful I don’t know. I don’t envy the the estimators for like rain from very. And those guys that they do that every single week.

00;50;01;04 – 00;50;01;13
Speaker 2
Yeah.

00;50;01;16 – 00;50;11;20
Speaker 1
Putting in a bit on this in your. Yes. It’s like a like a dog chasing its tail almost. It’s luckily I only do it a few times a year.

00;50;11;23 – 00;50;14;03
Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah.

00;50;14;06 – 00;50;16;17
Speaker 3
Mason I don’t want to keep you any longer.

00;50;16;17 – 00;50;19;18
Speaker 4
I got one more question. I don’t know.

00;50;19;20 – 00;50;20;26
Speaker 3
Mason. We’re keeping you longer.

00;50;20;27 – 00;50;22;29
Speaker 2
I got one more question.

00;50;23;02 – 00;50;27;14
Speaker 4
Are there any plans out there to put roundabouts on who’s street in Troy?

00;50;27;16 – 00;50;30;16
Speaker 1
Oh, boy, that’s a mess, isn’t it?

00;50;30;18 – 00;50;31;05
Speaker 2
Some.

00;50;31;07 – 00;50;35;20
Speaker 4
Of the the, you know, the top of it there. So I deal with it just about every day.

00;50;35;22 – 00;50;37;04
Speaker 1
Do I live up there, too?

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Speaker 2
Oh, no. Yeah.

00;50;38;12 – 00;50;43;16
Speaker 1
Yeah, I’m. I’m a little further out, so I sneak the back way from Mechanicville over to the mountains.

00;50;43;19 – 00;50;45;01
Speaker 2
Yeah, that’s the way to do it.

00;50;45;04 – 00;50;53;03
Speaker 1
Yeah, I mean, I there there’s so many. There’s a right of way constraints through there. I was actually just at a meeting.

00;50;53;05 – 00;50;53;06
Speaker 2
A.

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Speaker 1
Couple months ago for the. I think they’re putting a Chipotle. Chipotle? Yeah. At the top. It was actually very.

00;51;00;21 – 00;51;02;16
Speaker 4
Happy about that, by the way.

00;51;02;19 – 00;51;05;15
Speaker 2
You’re very happy about it. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00;51;05;17 – 00;51;13;04
Speaker 1
So we were talking about right there where like what they keep, they keep putting 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag.

00;51;13;04 – 00;51;15;07
Speaker 2
I know it’s.

00;51;15;09 – 00;51;28;19
Speaker 1
Getting pretty tight and hard to get through, but I actually brought that up to the Dot representative that was there. I was like, what are we going to do to alleviate this traffic? It’s only getting worse. Like, we’re kind of stuck.

00;51;28;21 – 00;51;31;25
Speaker 4
Well, if you guys need any input in the design process, just let me know.

00;51;31;25 – 00;51;32;19
Speaker 2
Because, yeah.

00;51;32;22 – 00;51;33;26
Speaker 4
It’s just about every day.

00;51;34;03 – 00;51;36;21
Speaker 2
Yeah, there’s some great.

00;51;36;24 – 00;51;38;07
Speaker 3
Gaps on that one.

00;51;40;08 – 00;51;50;26
Speaker 3
Amazing. Mason, one more time. I know we said at the end of the episode, but just in case, if you don’t mind, just tell everybody if they’re interested in and not in the construction. Where can they find you guys?

00;51;50;28 – 00;52;12;20
Speaker 1
Yeah, absolutely. So we’re the only construction dot net. The website is pretty easy to to navigate. Nothing tricky. Or stop one of the tracks on, if you see, one of the white trucks with the red hoods, ask ask one of the guys or girls. Hey, how can I, how do I get a job with you guys?

00;52;12;20 – 00;52;36;24
Speaker 1
And they’re there? They’ll tell you that we’ll give you the phone number of the office. So I give you my cell phone number. And I’m happy to take calls. And, you know, we’re always looking for good guys and girls, good people to to join a team. You know, all it does is make everything easier. And we’re we’re always looking for good people, so happy to be to take them.

00;52;36;27 – 00;52;40;08
Speaker 3
Awesome. Mason. Thanks again. Really appreciate it. Dave coming on.

00;52;40;10 – 00;52;42;05
Speaker 1
Yeah, definitely. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 4
Thank you.

00;52;42;29 – 00;53;11;00
Speaker 1
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00;53;11;00 – 00;53;23;04
Speaker 1
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